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Atheists herald holiday season a bit differently
By: Kym Soper, Journal Inquirer 12/04/2007
VERNON - An atheist group has taken advantage of the town's new all-inclusive policy regarding holiday displays in Center Park by erecting their own seasonal message.
The 10-foot-tall sign, which was posted Saturday in the downtown park just outside Town Hall, pictures the World Trade Center with a caption from the John Lennon song "Imagine No Religion." The World Trade Center towers collapsed after Muslim extremists flew two passenger-loaded jets into them on Sept. 11, 2001. The three-sided sign also promotes on one panel the coming winter solstice, a celebration rooted in pagan religions. "People used to believe that gods moved the sun across the sky," the message reads. "Today we know that there are no gods, and that the sun moves by natural causes, and we celebrate not only the movement of the sun but our ability to understand that movement." The Connecticut Valley Atheists erected the sign on the afternoon of the town's annual Dickens' Day and tree lighting celebration, which takes place in and around Center Park. "Traditionally there has only been a Christian display there," members wrote on a posting to a national atheist website under a photo of the four local men who erected the sign. "We would prefer no displays, but if they're going to get one, so are we." Town Hall officials say they fielded a significant number of phone calls on the sign Monday, with some calling to complain while others merely wanted to know why it was the only symbol out there. For generations the only holiday display in Center Park was a large-scale Christian Christmas nativity. Last year the town received a complaint from Bolton Road resident Dennis Paul Himes, the state director of the American Atheists, who threatened legal action, saying the town had violated the constitutional provision of separation of church and state by allowing the Christian crèche to be displayed on town property. When the park underwent renovations the nativity was moved to the front of St. Bernard Church for the 2006 holiday season. That caused a stir among Republican Town Committee members, however, who passed a unanimous resolution requesting it be returned to its traditional spot in Center Park for 2007. Former Mayor Ellen L. Marmer began meeting with local religious groups and crafted a policy that went into effect last August granting equal space for any group who wanted to set up traditional displays or symbolic messages during the holiday season. Only three organizations applied: the atheists who put up the sign; Temple B'nai Israel, which plans to erect a Jewish Menorah for Hanukkah; and the Vernon Christian Churches organization, which is having a new nativity scene constructed for the site in time for Christmas. The Rev. Cynthia Carr, associate pastor at First Congregational Church in Vernon, says the new nativity consists of a stable and three life-size figures depicting "the Holy Family of Mary, Joseph, and the infant Jesus." It should be finished and installed at Center Park around Dec. 12, Carr added. The older, circa-World War II crèche scene needed to be refurbished and restored, Carr said. Because of its fragility and age, the much-loved scene will continue to be displayed at St. Bernard Church for safety reasons, Carr said. As for the atheist display, it went up on the first allowable day under the new policy and will remain standing until sometime in January, depending on the weather, Himes said. Reaction so far has been mixed, he said, adding that some people made both negative and positive comments while the sign was going up, and later by e-mail. Some took exception with using the tragedy of the World Trade Center to get their message across, he said. "But we wanted something explicit that showed atheist beliefs and not just something about the winter solstice," Himes said. Himes said he was not concerned about offending Muslims or survivors of the tragedy "because if atheist beliefs were widespread, the towers would still be standing." Mayor Jason L. McCoy, a Republican, could not be reached today for comment on this story. Local area churches are conducting a fundraiser to help pay for the new nativity. Those wanting to donate can contribute to the fund through St. Bernard Church, 25 St. Bernard Terrace, Vernon, CT, 06066, or to the First Congregational Church in Vernon, UCC, 695 Hartford Turnpike, Vernon, CT, 06066. Indicate in a note that the donation is for the nativity fund. For more information about Connecticut Valley Atheists, go to their website at www.cvatheists.org.
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Added: Wednesday December 26, 2007 at 02:50 PM EST 65 yr old life long atheist Gowrie,IA The odd thing is that christians created the situation by demanding public space and often public money while threatening ostacism to any who dared challenge and perhaps loss od job etc.You were free to stick to your church property for all of your religious displays but you wanted 'state' subsidy. No respect was allowed to those who did not agree with your indoctrinated beliefs and the STATE did assist for their own political reasons for social control. Like almost no criticism of religion allowed on radio or on television. What few times some nonbelievers is allowed on television they are not allowed time for their views unless 2 or 3 ministers plus the show host get most of the time, No such thing as fair play. Plus a lot more but enough for now. Thamk you! Willard Earl Bolinger, Gowrie, Iowa Added: Monday December 17, 2007 at 08:43 PM EST Stand up and be counted A long time ago I argued with my husband, who said Christians are misguided, but harmless. I disagreed, having had my share of religious experience (including Pentecostalism). I feel even more strongly opposed to it tweny years after that experience - though I'm supposed to treat religious beliefs as eggs on pillows - untouchable. Now when I am sent religious email from coworkers or family members, I protest, politely. Now, when I hear a comment like "Gee, you have to wonder why all those gay people got AIDS..." I do not remain silent. The comment, cloaked in whatever sidestepping and bible quoting it may be, is vicious in its intent. And gets more vicious the more closely it's examined. The Christians want to step into battle, but they want to pretend it's not what they're doing. There are many reasons I'm an atheist, and this is only one issue. But it's an important one. Iit's important that we not hide anymore, that we step out into the public and get rid of the illusion that we don't exist, and that we tell people not only who we are but how we live. Bravo for the sign! The world needs atheism now. And we're here. Laurel Landis, Milwaukee, WI Added: Monday December 17, 2007 at 03:01 AM EST Freedom of Speech Tasteful? The universal symbol for christianity is a dead guy nailed to a cross with a crown of thorns. That's not tasteful, and by the way it scares the crap out of little kids. This display is someone's opinion and if christians are allowed to voice their opinions then EVERYONE else should be allowed to also. Jews, muslims, buddhists, atheists, and any other religious groups who have a display. Freedom of religion applies to all religion or lack there-of. So if you don't like what other people have to say then fine but they do have a right to say it. Katie, Milford, MI Added: Sunday December 16, 2007 at 10:56 AM EST Atheist Sign One should remember that any time we add religion to government, it is an insult to our constitution. It is anti American. We live in a free country. The big part of that freedom is that we aren't run by specialist groups. The fathers and mothers of our country saw all the evil that arrives when religion and government are mixed. Don't be fooled by contemporary religious viewpoints that try to point the other way and say we were founded on religious beliefs, while trying to brainwash you into their viewpoints. We were not. We were partially founded to get rid of religious extremism and make freedom of belief a high priority, but that's not what it is all about. All religious artifacts should be removed from all government entities, and there should be no association at all. Pauli, Osterelli Added: Saturday December 15, 2007 at 11:37 AM EST Right on! Ira Pierce, Hilton, NY Added: Saturday December 15, 2007 at 10:28 AM EST Imagine no religion Having no religion would be a dream come true to me. Unfortunately, it will never be. People are somehow incapable of thinking for themselves. Unless we are someday inhabitated by more inteligent beings. I completely support the Athiest sign. sylvie williams, willowick, ohio Added: Friday December 14, 2007 at 10:22 PM EST Thank goodness for atheists! Seamus Reason Added: Friday December 14, 2007 at 05:19 PM EST well done i too would rather see no displays at all on public property. but if people insist that they express themselves in such ways i would hope that we atheists would be among the first in line to do so. we are wildly misunderstood which will hopefully change one day and displays such as this won't be necessary. have a good winter soltice everyone. Mike, Seattle, WA Added: Monday December 10, 2007 at 11:09 PM EST Perfect idea "This war was never about religion. "
Try again. In the history of the world I know only few wars, which had nothing to do with a religion. The Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras was one of them. Current conflict is a typical religious war. I can't even show why it is, because it will never see the light of "free speech".
"Its was about hatred toward our way of life and our freedom, And a bunch of cowards trying to put fear in our everyday lives. "
Tim, all freedom in America is long gone. Look around or ask people, who have seen freedom.
"The sign at Central Park needs to come down and a more tasteful sign could go up. Tim Fagan, Vernon Ct 06066"
Bogdan, Las Vegas, NV Added: Monday December 10, 2007 at 05:18 PM EST Tom: "For a moment, let’s follow your worldview. Let’s imagine Vernon with “no religion”. There would be no homeless shelter, no emergency shelter, no Cornerstone Center, no Potters House, No St. Bernard’s or St. Joseph’s school, no Interfaith Thanksgiving offering for emergency fuel needs and Darfur famine relief, no Synagogue or churches that serve, give and grow together, the Vernon Community Network membership would be half as vibrant at least, the Rockville Downtown Association would be missing many key members, and the Hockanum Valley Community Council’s food pantry would be in dire need continually."
Really, your town needs "religion" in order to run homeless shelters and soup kitchens? Your representatives must be sitting on their thumbs or that is a sad commentary about your community. Our local government runs and operates a few soup kitchens and homeless shelters and maintains our orphanage system. That's all non-religious by the way. Actually, Atheists do run soup kitchens and homeless shelters in some states. And why would all those members be missing? Does becoming Atheist make you fall off the planet for some reason? I'm active in my community and so are other Atheists. I wonder how many Atheists in your community actually participate in all the things you listed. Emergency shelters in my city are all public schools by design, so what were your representatives doing when plans for your public schools were being drawn up? There are Atheists who also donate for emergency relief in various countries that need it and my local non-religious group had several members give to our soldiers. And as to no church community, well of course not if there weren't any religions because they'd all be replaced with secular community groups like there are across America. There's a city group for seculars in Louisville and I just started one on the local university's campus so the whole line, "Atheists don't contribute to society or form communities" that you're getting at just doesn't hold water.
I think you need to take a step back and answer the question, "could people in my congregation misconstrue Christianity to the the point they fly planes into someone else's buildings? Or, hole themselves up in a cave and threaten to blow themselves up? Or do some other violence to non-Christians?" To help you out, look for any section in the Bible where violent action is taken or suggested, even allegorically. Without Islam, those middle-eastern men would be at home with their families right now and so would 1000+ people who were murdered that unfortunate day. That sentence is what the sign is getting at. The fact you feel lumped in may be you realizing that Christianity pushing itself into Islam may be part of the problem Muslims have with America and nothing to do with what the CT Atheists are saying. Devin Spaulding, Louisville, KY Added: Monday December 10, 2007 at 04:32 PM EST To Reverend Tom Walsh Reverend Walsh, While I appreciate you speaking up I have to ask why a town meeting involved clergy at all? I too am a honorably discharged veteran and appreciate freedom of religion that I helped provide by serving. I think the atheists that wanted no display would be the ones considered having the ideal situation. Now on to our disagreement. The same good people of faith you mention would be just as good without religion and I am testament to that. Are you going to pretend that the giving comes predominantly from Christians? I’ve donated to Darfur, sent contributions in to Doctors without Borders, helped with Hands on Housing, gave to the food bank, and assisted on many levels just like most atheists. You also have to keep in mind 80% of the population is theist so you have us outnumbered. However, a recent study showed 82% of charitable work done by theists benefits their church and not third parties. Hitler was not an atheist. Pol Pot and Stalin were dictators and not doing harm to their people in the name of atheism but as tyrants abusing power. The false gods you mention are without merit. The same idea of heaven and living forever was dangled in front of their intellect as it with the Christians you are trying to credit for being charitable. You are free to describe your god as you wish but you must ignore the plagues, drownings and torture the god of the bible injected on people. I do not lump any two theists in the same camp but I view them based on their own merit. However, no Christian gets a pass by me on trying to state the bible is anything other than mythology including the gods Jesus and Jehovah. Your community would be just fine if people stated god made them behave better but it’s all just mythology. When you understand that then you’ve made the effort that we do understand works by our fellow humans do matter. I can’t speak for your local buildings. There are many secular groups that do all that you mention. Keeping people off the streets and employed has a lot to do with the basic needs of a fair living wage and addressing mental illness. The solution is not to feed them but address the long term solutions of these problems. Not wanting to work is completely different than not being able to for physical or mental reasons. I am aware of what your statement implies that we acknowledge the good part of god and ignore the bad part of god such as terrorism. I think the best way to understand the good god is to be honest and state that heaven and god are just myths and we only get this one life to make humanity better. Mark Johnson Round Rock, TX md457@hotmail.com Known as TXatheist to some
Mark Johnson, Round Rock, Texas Added: Monday December 10, 2007 at 12:37 PM EST To the Connecticut Valley Atheists: I want to welcome the Connecticut Valley Atheists to Vernon. I saw the display that was erected in Center Park. As a Christian I want to correct the impression that I don’t want your display there. Last year I sat down with the Town Administrator Chris Clark along with several other Christian clergy and we appealed the initial town policy proposal banning all displays and advocated for equal access for all groups. That the town administration seemed to react in fear to a threatened lawsuit by Mr. Himes, a member of your organization (who resides in Bolton) was unacceptable to us. As Christians, we did not for a second advocate for our nativity display alone. The present policy is a perfect victory as far as I’m concerned. I have vigorously defended your rights and freedoms (both in that conference room and in the United States Armed Services) and couldn’t be happier when you exercise them.
In regard to your display alluding to the terrorist attack of 9/11 as an example of the evils of religion, I must speak out. It is not a display of your viewpoint as much as a display of your ignorance that you lump terrorist extremists together with good people of faith. How unenlightened would I be if I lumped you in with the likes of Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot? I join you in denouncing the existence of the false god these terrorists purport to follow in their inhuman acts of evil. The God that I follow with all of my heart is a God of love, justice, freedom, and grace who is committed to the welfare of all humanity. Until you, at the very least, recognize these differences you leave no room to “understand” anything, in the way your display celebrates. How can a free society thrive if we allow this kind of reactionary rhetoric to shape our community?
For a moment, let’s follow your worldview. Let’s imagine Vernon with “no religion”. There would be no homeless shelter, no emergency shelter, no Cornerstone Center, no Potters House, No St. Bernard’s or St. Joseph’s school, no Interfaith Thanksgiving offering for emergency fuel needs and Darfur famine relief, no Synagogue or churches that serve, give and grow together, the Vernon Community Network membership would be half as vibrant at least, the Rockville Downtown Association would be missing many key members, and the Hockanum Valley Community Council’s food pantry would be in dire need continually.
We would all do well to be atheists in regard to the false god’s of hate and terrorism. However, disbelieving in God won’t cause him to cease to exist. Understanding God rightly will bring peace on Earth, and good will to all people.
Rev. Tom Walsh Crossroads Community Church of Vernon www.crossroadsinfo.com
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Rev. Tom Walsh, Vernon CT Added: Monday December 10, 2007 at 12:01 PM EST Sign is no problem I don't see a problem with the sign being up. For those that don't like the message, just put up a sign of your own with the same caption of "Imagine No Religion" with pictures of Lenin and Stalinist Russia with starving and tortured people and the gulags. Pat Added: Sunday December 09, 2007 at 09:30 PM EST The Atheist display is fantastic. Sandy, vernon Added: Sunday December 09, 2007 at 05:32 PM EST Atheist Display Congratulations to the CT Valley Atheists for having the courage to put up the sign. I wish that here in the bible belt we had such a strong and brave organization. Anyone who doesn't realize that the events of Sept. 11 was the start of a holy war is sadly naive. Our country comprises people of many and no faiths, and has a constitution which says that the government may not advocate one belief over any other. Yet many in our society would have their beliefs dominate over all others. When will this madness stop? Jesus (alledgedly) said that prayer should be done in private. So much for the mega churches. R. Scherago, Dumfries, VA Added: Sunday December 09, 2007 at 07:51 AM EST Winter holiday is not anyone's property The midwinter holiday is far older than Christianity, and almost everything we do on it, “Christmas trees” , feasting, gift-giving, mistletoe and holly, even the story of the Nativity, is of pagan origin.
The original "reason for the season" is a natural event, the day when the sun is lowest in the sky and begins its return, promising the return of warmer weather. Reason enough to celebrate. No reason why atheists cannot rejoice in the day.
Further, Christianity has long had an ambivalent relationship with this holiday. For centuries it tried to suppress the pagan midwinter celebration, and only after failing that, tried to co-opt it. Some denominations today, notably the Jehovah’s Witnesses, refuse to celebrate it, because they correctly note its pagan roots. Jesus never told his followers to celebrate his birth.
Merrymakers of many religious traditions, and none, have been celbrating a midwinter holiday for at least three thousand years. Christianity is a latecomer to this party, beginning in the fourth century after Jesus. Christians are the only ones who seem to resent the others. It has always been, and will continue to be, a holiday for everyone.
John B Hodges, Blacksburg, Virginia Added: Saturday December 08, 2007 at 08:25 AM EST This new display is a piece of garbage and should be removed. The town caves into pressure from an anti-God group then allows them to display that offensive piece of rubbish? The moralily of this country takes another hit. Disgusting. Shame on you Town of Vernon. I plan to take my business outside of Vernon from now on. Michelle, Tolland Added: Thursday December 06, 2007 at 10:56 PM EST Re: Unacceptable Jennifer wrote: > I do not agree with the CT Valley Aethiests display on the town green. The way that it is displayed makes it seem like that represents the whole town
For many years the only display in the park was a Christian nativity scene. From your point of view this year's policy of having several different display is a big step forward. When I protested the old policy, though, I urged for the town to stop the practice of displays promoting worldviews altogether. Then-mayor Marmer agreed with me, but then several Christians in town got very upset at the possibility that the town would not endorse their religion, so Marmer, who was tired of Republicans calling her anti-Christian, established a policy of equal access.
> I don't think it should have been allowed to go up where it is until everyone had their displays up.
The town gave all of us plenty of notice that the displays could go up on the First of December. The only reason that the Atheist display is (last I checked) the only one there is because the other groups haven't gotten around to putting theirs up yet.
Dennis Paul Himes, Vernon, Connecticut Added: Thursday December 06, 2007 at 01:14 PM EST I commend both Dennis Himes and former Mayor Ellen L. Marmer for crafting a policy that gives equal space for all! Scott Vining, Broad Brook, CT Added: Tuesday December 04, 2007 at 06:52 PM EST Unacceptable I do not agree with the CT Valley Aethiests display on the town green. The way that it is displayed makes it seem like that represents the whole town of Vernon and it is most definately not what the majority of the people believe. I don't think it should have been allowed to go up where it is until everyone had their displays up. A decision should have been made that they all go up at the same time so it does not appear that this is the only belief in Vernon. It is centered on the green and the Christmas Tree is over to the side where you can hardly see it driving by. I think it is appauling that the town is allowing such a small minority of people to have a display on the town green. Jennifer, Vernon, Ct Added: Tuesday December 04, 2007 at 05:46 PM EST Connecticut Valley Athesist sign This Sign on Central Park in Vernon is unacceptable. Its fine if they want to post up their beliefs like all the other religion. I think there should be all different types of organization posting there beliefs on the green. However, To say the towers would still be up if there was no religion is just appalling. This war was never about religion. Its was about hatred toward our way of life and our freedom, And a bunch of cowards trying to put fear in our everyday lives. The sign at Central Park needs to come down and a more tasteful sign could go up. Tim Fagan, Vernon Ct 06066 Added: Tuesday December 04, 2007 at 04:14 PM EST new all-inclusive policy Won't it be nice when the phrase is the 'longstanding all-inclusive policy'? Bruce, Orlando
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